Conversations with Julian

[Josh]

Julian is my ally. I've decided. He's not unintelligent, but that's probably for the best. I really hope he's not a spy. (anyway, he has the first part of this convo, it got cut off for me.)

spies1Josh (8:39:10 PM): (you're going to have to save this - i just lost it)
spies1Julian (8:39:17 PM): I'll PM it to you if you want
spies1Josh (8:39:20 PM): sure
spies1Josh (8:39:26 PM): did you get what gurinder said?
spies1Julian (8:39:50 PM): Yes
spies1Josh (8:40:35 PM): so he's definitely playing dumb.
spies1Josh (8:40:41 PM): this is all so complicated.
spies1Julian (8:40:59 PM): I think Monica would talk to us
spies1Julian (8:41:03 PM): Give me a little more
spies1Julian (8:41:06 PM): But we'll see
spies1Josh (8:41:58 PM): i'm working on DJ
spies1Julian (8:42:46 PM): I am too
spies1Julian (8:42:48 PM): Hahaha
spies1Josh (8:43:08 PM): yeah. i don't like sage's explanation at all
spies1Josh (8:43:18 PM): it took him three minutes to give me a vague opinion
spies1Julian signed on at 8:43:52 PM.
spies1Josh (8:44:02 PM): and then all sage said was "i'm not really sure! i think that the Spies want to eliminate inactives first, which is good for us active Citizens."
spies1Julian (8:44:14 PM): Which isn't at all
spies1Julian (8:44:32 PM): Doesn't matter if they're inactive or not, you want as many Citizens in the game as possible
spies1Josh (8:44:40 PM): exactly!
spies1Julian (8:44:53 PM): Ugh
spies1Julian (8:44:57 PM): People are so stupid
spies1Josh (8:45:52 PM): people are very stupid.
spies1Julian (8:46:34 PM): How's the talking with Monica going?
spies1Julian (8:46:40 PM): What's your feel on her?
spies1Josh (8:48:41 PM): monica obviously isn't dumb
spies1Josh (8:48:47 PM): she just doesn't really get it
spies1Josh (8:48:57 PM): one minute.
spies1Josh (8:53:15 PM): okay, i'm here
spies1Josh (8:53:20 PM): what's your feel on monica
spies1Julian (8:53:40 PM): I have no idea.
spies1Julian (8:53:45 PM): She's definately intelligent
spies1Julian (8:53:46 PM): Trying to hide it
spies1Josh (8:53:57 PM): like, we have a clear logical path
spies1Josh (8:54:00 PM): that makes much more sense
spies1Josh (8:54:03 PM): trying to hide intelligence
spies1Julian (8:54:07 PM): And she seems more worried about being viewed as an inactive than anything else
spies1Josh (8:55:12 PM): "Well the only way for the non-spies to win is to have as many votes as we can"
spies1Josh (8:55:17 PM): how can i refute that clearly?
spies1Julian (8:55:28 PM): That's what she said?
spies1Josh (8:55:44 PM): yeah
spies1Josh (8:55:51 PM): my response: "but if we only focus on inactives, and spies only focus on citizens, no one is going after the spies"
spies1Julian (8:55:55 PM): "As many votes for the right people"
spies1Julian (8:56:25 PM): I mean, I understand their logic here
spies1Julian (8:56:28 PM): However flawed
spies1Josh (8:56:36 PM): it makes sense
spies1Josh (8:56:40 PM): i just think ours is better
spies1Julian (8:56:54 PM): I'm almost wondering if it'll just be easier to go with them this time
spies1Julian (8:57:03 PM): Than to try and stir the pot so early
spies1Julian (8:57:09 PM): and possibly be targeted ourselves
spies1Josh (8:58:20 PM): hmm
spies1Julian (8:59:03 PM): I mean, Sage wants to go after inactives, Monica wants to go after inactives, Gerta wants to go after inactives, DJ is playing with himself in the corner
spies1Julian (8:59:03 PM): You know?
spies1Josh (8:59:13 PM): haha! i like that someone else sees that in DJ
spies1Josh (8:59:17 PM): well, not the playing around
spies1Josh (8:59:19 PM): more the idiocy
spies1Julian (8:59:32 PM): Six of one, half-dozen of another
spies1Josh (9:00:18 PM): very true
spies1Julian (9:00:47 PM): Why do dumb people dominate?
spies1Julian (9:01:10 PM): Seriously, they're everywhere
spies1Josh (9:01:14 PM): because they are everywhere.
spies1Josh (9:01:14 PM): ha
spies1Josh (9:01:17 PM): there are too many of them
spies1Josh (9:02:44 PM): Monica seems to be waffling
spies1Josh (9:04:11 PM): so... should we push the Gurinder point or slide with the majority? or throw votes away to avoid suspicion
spies1Julian (9:04:30 PM): I don't know
spies1Julian (9:04:41 PM): But the safest thing to do
spies1Julian (9:05:00 PM): is probably slide with the majority... it's so early and people will be looking for excuses to vote
spies1Julian (9:07:00 PM): I just don't like it because it's something so obviously good for their plan
spies1Josh (9:07:55 PM): neither do i
spies1Josh (9:08:01 PM): monica wants to tell me her vote
spies1Josh (9:08:05 PM): but is waiting until tomorrow
spies1Josh (9:08:20 PM): she says in case i'm a spy, she doesn't want to give me time to react
spies1Julian (9:08:32 PM): Let me show you this
spies1Julian signed on at 9:09:08 PM.
spies1Josh (9:09:25 PM): (have you shown me yet?)
spies1Julian (9:10:02 PM): just c/p it
spies1Julian (9:10:10 PM): you must not have gotten it
spies1Julian (9:10:15 PM): it's a clip of me and Monica
spies1Josh (9:10:17 PM): ohh
spies1Josh (9:10:20 PM): yeah c/p it again
spies1Julian (9:10:31 PM): spies1Julian (8:45:32 PM): Who all have you talked to?
spies1Monica (8:46:05 PM): Gurinder, DJ, Josh, Sage, and you
spies1Julian (8:46:13 PM): What do you think of them?
spies1Monica (8:47:19 PM): I have kind of spy-ish vibes from one of them
spies1Monica (8:47:23 PM): But it's way too early to say
spies1Julian (8:47:39 PM): Haha to say in general or to say to me?
spies1Monica (8:47:47 PM): LOL both
spies1Monica (8:48:01 PM): Who's to say you're not a spy, you know?
spies1Julian (9:11:40 PM): get it that time?
spies1Josh (9:11:45 PM): she promised me she wouldn't vote for me
spies1Josh (9:11:50 PM): and i promised her the same
spies1Julian (9:12:03 PM): Our conversation has kinda drifted
spies1Julian (9:12:05 PM): but I think she was distracted
spies1Josh (9:12:38 PM): anyway, i have to be going
spies1Josh (9:12:42 PM): we'll talk before the vote, i hope
spies1Julian (9:12:49 PM): If not
spies1Julian (9:12:53 PM): what do you think you'll do?
spies1Josh (9:13:39 PM): a random vote
spies1Julian (9:13:39 PM): I think right now it'll be better to stick in the majority
spies1Josh (9:13:40 PM): maybe damien
spies1Josh (9:13:45 PM): that's what everyone is saying
spies1Josh (9:13:48 PM): anyway, i'll talk to you later
spies1Julian (9:13:50 PM): We'll talk tomorrow
spies1Julian (9:13:54 PM): Be safe!
spies1Josh (9:14:00 PM): you too!

[Josh]

spies1Josh (7:35:37 PM): julian!
spies1Julian (7:35:42 PM): Hey Josh
spies1Josh (7:35:44 PM): a lot has been going on in the past hour

i trust julian, so i'll explain it all to him.

spies1Josh (7:36:04 PM): apparently, sage and gurinder were pushing the vote for damien to everyone they saw today
spies1Josh (7:36:06 PM): mostly sage
spies1Josh (7:36:14 PM): and as a result, people were starting to get suspicious of sage
spies1Josh (7:36:24 PM): (did i tell you about the 2-post thing last night? i don't believe so)
spies1Julian (7:36:30 PM): No
spies1Josh (7:36:45 PM): i wrote this down and came back once i had met everyone so i wouldn't be influenced
spies1Josh (7:36:55 PM): before the game started, we were told to test-post in our confessionals
spies1Josh (7:36:59 PM): some people hadn't done that
spies1Josh (7:37:02 PM): most had 1 post listed
spies1Josh (7:37:06 PM): three had 2 posts
spies1Josh (7:37:26 PM): i went back to it last night: caroline, gurinder, sage

this is true. and i know i'm not the only one who's looked at post counts, because either monica or marion mentioned it too.

spies1Josh (7:37:34 PM): now, i haven't met caroline. so i can't say anything about that
spies1Josh (7:37:45 PM): but it's awfully odd that sage and gurinder have been so buddy buddy with strategy this early
spies1Julian (7:38:00 PM): Yes, I agree
spies1Josh (7:38:16 PM): anyway, monica? she told me last night she would mention today who she wanted to vote for
spies1Josh (7:38:19 PM): it was sage.
spies1Julian (7:38:38 PM): She confided that in me after you had left
spies1Josh (7:38:45 PM): excellent. so there's no question there
spies1Josh (7:39:00 PM): continuing, monica and i suggested getting other people on the sage boat
spies1Josh (7:39:30 PM): and if we're questioned, say either it was a random vote or that we had heard it as a rumor but can't remember from where
spies1Josh (7:40:00 PM): my vote is in for sage. i like the idea of playing it safe for the first round, but if there will only be 6-8 rounds, i don't want to waste any of them
spies1Josh (7:40:24 PM): anyway, marion gave me her word that she was voting for sage
spies1Josh (7:40:40 PM): (do you have thoughts at this point? i've given you a lot to chew on)

phew! now maybe he'll talk.

spies1Josh (7:40:58 PM): i would have preferred gurinder, but sage is pushing inactives too, and sage isn't inactive. so i'll take what i can get
spies1Julian (7:41:15 PM): How many people do we have so far?
spies1Josh (7:41:24 PM): me, marion, monica, DJ, and soraya is waffling
spies1Josh (7:41:44 PM): so it's a large enough faction that people can't be singled out.
spies1Julian (7:42:24 PM): Emma voted for Damien
spies1Julian (7:42:27 PM): I spoke to her last night

ew.

spies1Josh (7:42:41 PM): i'm thinking some people did
spies1Julian (7:43:04 PM): Let me get a feel
spies1Julian (7:43:09 PM): I'm on board, for sure
spies1Josh (7:43:11 PM): okay
spies1Josh (7:43:14 PM): that makes 5 or 6
spies1Julian (7:43:15 PM): But let me get a feel for who did what
spies1Josh (7:43:18 PM): okay
spies1Julian (7:43:32 PM): If it really looks bleak in the end, I think we might think about switching back
spies1Josh (7:43:48 PM): maybe... i'm going to see who comes on before the exile
spies1Julian (7:43:59 PM): Timing is everything
spies1Josh (7:44:12 PM): wise words
spies1Julian (7:44:30 PM): Damien might very well self vote too
spies1Julian (7:44:33 PM): Haha which would suck

oh god, i completely forgot. i hope that doesn't throw things.

spies1Josh (7:44:56 PM): oh jeez
spies1Josh (7:44:59 PM): that would
spies1Julian (7:45:25 PM): I just told Gindi that I haven't heard anything else
spies1Josh (7:45:39 PM): probably for the best
spies1Julian (7:49:04 PM): Wow this is crazy
spies1Josh (7:49:34 PM): what is?
spies1Julian (7:49:43 PM): Everything happening
spies1Julian (7:49:45 PM): Hahaha
spies1Julian (7:50:05 PM): You know, I think this might be pulled off
spies1Josh (7:50:12 PM): so do i.
spies1Josh (7:50:50 PM): marion and i gave each other our words. you and DJ are definite, monica's near-definite, and soraya is headed that way

so that's 6. hopefully.

spies1Julian (7:53:16 PM): I wonder if Dawn voted while she was on
spies1Josh (7:53:50 PM): hmm... i'm not sure
spies1Josh (7:54:22 PM): we should probably push it to others if they show up before the live exile
spies1Josh (7:54:32 PM): wait, strike out the probably
spies1Josh (7:54:33 PM): definitely.
spies1Julian (7:57:15 PM): Marion's definately playing coy
spies1Julian (7:57:19 PM): Not that I blame her
spies1Josh (7:57:50 PM): i don't know how far i trust marion. but i do trust her enough to take her at her word
spies1Josh (8:01:49 PM): okay. soraya's pretty much definite
spies1Julian (8:01:58 PM): Lol you were typing for a pretty long time
spies1Josh (8:02:06 PM): did it say that?
spies1Julian (8:02:09 PM): Yes
spies1Julian (8:02:18 PM): What should I make of this, then?
spies1Josh (8:02:24 PM): of which part?
spies1Julian (8:02:25 PM): [quoting Soraya] spies1Soraya (8:01:31 PM): I heard we and sage wnat to take out damien
spies1Josh (8:02:49 PM): .
spies1Josh (8:02:49 PM): [quoting a conversation between me and Soraya]

spies1Soraya (7:58:32 PM): so the majority is leaning toward Sage?
spies1Josh (7:58:44 PM): it's hard to say majority either way
spies1Josh (7:58:50 PM): there are definitely some for both
spies1Josh (7:59:12 PM): has anyone directly told you they were definitely voting damien?
spies1Soraya (8:00:30 PM): no
spies1Soraya (8:00:41 PM): their leaning toward sage
spies1Josh (8:00:51 PM): that's good to hear!
spies1Soraya (8:01:11 PM): Monica is

[end quoting conversation.]
spies1Josh (8:03:15 PM): that makes me mad.
spies1Josh (8:03:53 PM): maybe she's playing coy, maybe she's playing one of us
spies1Julian (8:04:05 PM): Let me feel her out
spies1Josh (8:04:11 PM): please do.
spies1Josh (8:04:15 PM): i want as much info as possible
spies1Julian (8:04:29 PM): Of course
spies1Julian (8:04:41 PM): We do have an agreement, do we not?

finally! lemme make sure we're on the same page.

spies1Josh (8:05:06 PM): on this vote or in the whole game? either way my answer is yes
spies1Julian (8:05:27 PM): I was thinking more than just this vote
spies1Julian (8:05:33 PM): We certainly respect each other as intellectuals

thank you!

spies1Josh (8:05:33 PM): i was hoping so.
spies1Josh (8:05:50 PM): of course it would never be mentioned to anyone else. relationships are best kept quiet
spies1Julian (8:06:22 PM): Naturally not
spies1Josh (8:08:22 PM): okay, i'm going to run. i should be back in an hour or just over, and i'll almost definitely be there for the live exile.
spies1Julian (8:08:28 PM): Okay
spies1Julian (8:08:31 PM): I'll update you
spies1Julian (8:08:35 PM): even if it's after the Exile
spies1Josh (8:09:05 PM): see you then!

[Monica]

I loved the first Josh. Even if he though we pretty much misunderstood each other, he was great. Playing coy indeed.