IM with Monica: Okay, here's a meaty one. We share suspicions and theories, and it feels like she's protecting Sage and going elsewhere with my train of thought. I want to trust her, I really do. (And she has some damn good points about Gindi.) But what do I really do with her?
spies1Dawn (6:05:13 PM): Hey, I've been hoping to see you online.
spies1Monica (6:05:33 PM): Hey Dawn!
spies1Monica (6:05:36 PM): Likewise
spies1Monica (6:05:38 PM): How are you?
spies1Dawn (6:05:46 PM): I'm doing well. And how are you?
spies1Monica (6:06:28 PM): Feeling good - it's the weekend!
spies1Dawn (6:06:34 PM): No kidding.
spies1Dawn (6:06:45 PM): I was interested to see the chat log from the first exiling.
spies1Monica (6:06:56 PM): Weird vote, huh
spies1Dawn (6:06:57 PM): It appears that you and Sage have some tension.
spies1Monica (6:07:19 PM): Oh, don't misunderstand - I like the guy
spies1Dawn (6:07:24 PM): As do I.
spies1Dawn (6:07:32 PM): But I also suspect him.
spies1Monica (6:07:54 PM): But the more people talked about how Sage was pushing the Damien vote, the worse the idea of voting Damien became
spies1Monica (6:07:57 PM): And Sage just didn't see it
spies1Dawn (6:08:10 PM): And that made me even more suspicious.
spies1Dawn (6:08:19 PM): Why would you push so hard to vote someone out?
spies1Monica (6:08:26 PM): That early in the game, too
spies1Dawn (6:08:37 PM): The only people that control would benefit this early in the game is the Spies.
spies1Monica (6:08:39 PM): And when it was pretty obvious that Damien wasn't very suspicious
spies1Monica (6:08:58 PM): You're right
spies1Monica (6:09:05 PM): That's what everyone else said too
spies1Monica (6:09:09 PM): At least
spies1Monica (6:09:20 PM): Everyone who didn't vote for Damien, or questioned the idea
spies1Monica (6:09:36 PM): How'd you know to vote for Sage specifically though?
spies1Dawn (6:09:43 PM): I voted for him 100% on my own.
spies1Monica (6:09:49 PM): Wow - smart girl!
spies1Dawn (6:09:52 PM): I fully expected to be a solo, errant vote.
spies1Monica (6:10:07 PM): That is so great
spies1Monica (6:10:12 PM): Really
spies1Monica (6:10:32 PM): Cause like people were waffling about the vote even 1 minute before voting closed
spies1Dawn (6:10:39 PM): That's amusing to me.
spies1Monica (6:10:57 PM): "What should I do, I don't know, if if if maybe you tell me" etc.
spies1Monica (6:11:21 PM): Good for you - really
spies1Dawn (6:12:32 PM): I wish I could've been there. Maybe Sage would've gone.
spies1Monica (6:13:08 PM): It was really close
spies1Monica (6:13:13 PM): DJ says he voted for Sage ... at 9:01
spies1Monica (6:13:45 PM): From what I heard, Emma and Gerta were willing to switch but didn't, for whatever reason
spies1Dawn (6:14:19 PM): Interesting.
spies1Dawn (6:14:28 PM): And what the heck was up with Julian's errant vote?
spies1Monica (6:14:42 PM): I'm guessing he originally voted Damien, then switched
spies1Dawn (6:15:04 PM): It's possible. I bet Marion isn't thrilled with him though.
spies1Monica (6:15:06 PM): And Sam probablyr ead it wrong
spies1Monica (6:15:12 PM): With Julian? Why?
spies1Dawn (6:15:20 PM): He voted for her, didn't he?
spies1Monica (6:15:26 PM): Ohh with Damien you mean
spies1Dawn (6:15:32 PM): Oh. Right. lol
spies1Dawn (6:15:35 PM): Never mind.
spies1Monica (6:15:50 PM): Haha Damien's "not a problem" anymore
spies1Dawn (6:16:00 PM): Obviously. lol Not that he ever was.
spies1Monica (6:16:06 PM): Haha you saw that too huh
spies1Monica (6:16:22 PM): That's one reason why the Sage vote would have been helpful
spies1Monica (6:16:23 PM): If Sage was a spy, we would've known that Damien was a citizen
spies1Dawn (6:17:00 PM): Agreed. And anyone pushing that hard in the beginning has to have an agenda. Nobody could've been THAT sure about anyone from three days of chatting.
spies1Monica (6:17:24 PM): I agree - I just am not sure what his agenda is
spies1Monica (6:17:50 PM): Sage claims that he pushed for the Damien vote because he wanted inactive players out
spies1Dawn (6:18:00 PM): Um, I thought we wanted spies out.
spies1Monica (6:18:03 PM): Maybe Sage was just afraid that if he didn't target someone, then he'd be targeted
spies1Monica (6:18:16 PM): You and I think the same way, Dawn
spies1Dawn (6:18:23 PM): Well, he was targeted by me because something just seemed a little odd.
spies1Dawn (6:18:27 PM): Now he's got me convinced.
spies1Monica (6:18:30 PM): Marion said it really well
spies1Monica (6:18:38 PM): She said that either Sage is a really bad player, or a really bad spy
spies1Monica (6:18:41 PM): And eiher way, he's dangerous
spies1Dawn (6:18:48 PM): Amen to that.
spies1Dawn (6:19:36 PM): With the three of us on board, we can all be subtle about getting others to vote Sage out at the next exiling and not make it look like we're targeting anyone hardcore the way he did...
spies1Dawn (6:20:01 PM): We just have to do it after the imprisonment so the Spies can't protect him by jailing one of us.
spies1Monica (6:20:36 PM): Would that make us any worse than him though?
spies1Monica (6:20:36 PM): Pushing a vote for someone who might be a citizen?
spies1Dawn (6:21:05 PM): You and Marion both said it: either way, he's dangerous.
spies1Dawn (6:21:27 PM): And clearly influential: He got one of our own voted out.
spies1Dawn (6:21:43 PM): What's going to happen when he targets you next because he knows you were suspicious of him?
spies1Dawn (6:35:43 PM): Sorry about that.
spies1Dawn (6:35:49 PM): My ISP sucks.
spies1Monica (6:35:50 PM): No problem
spies1Monica (6:35:52 PM): Computer problems?
spies1Monica (6:35:53 PM): Yeah
spies1Monica (6:36:10 PM): Remember where we left off?
spies1Dawn (6:36:16 PM): So here's the last I've got:
spies1Dawn (6:36:18 PM): spies1Monica (6:20:36 PM): Pushing a vote for someone who might be a citizen?
spies1Dawn (6:21:05 PM): You and Marion both said it: either way, he's dangerous.
spies1Dawn (6:21:27 PM): And clearly influential: He got one of our own voted out.
spies1Dawn (6:21:43 PM): What's going to happen when he targets you next because he knows you were suspicious of him?
spies1Monica (6:37:23 PM): I didn't think about that
spies1Monica (6:37:46 PM): I think he'd look vengeful and stupid - it would be the wrong move for him cause it would make him a bigger target
spies1Monica (6:38:01 PM): But, this is assuming that he'd be a rational player
spies1Monica (6:38:03 PM): And we know he isn't
spies1Monica (6:38:08 PM): So he might do it
spies1Monica (6:38:32 PM): Someone said that he was mad at a specific player, but that he wouldn't say who
spies1Monica (6:38:44 PM): I don't know if he meant me - he might have meant Soraya actually
spies1Dawn (6:38:48 PM): Interesting.
spies1Dawn (6:38:53 PM): I don't know who he'd be mad at.
spies1Monica (6:39:01 PM): I can think of 7 people LOL
spies1Monica (6:39:16 PM): Namely, the 7 who voted for him
spies1Dawn (6:39:18 PM): Ha! There is that.
spies1Monica (6:39:37 PM): Dawn, have you talked to other player so far?
spies1Dawn (6:39:44 PM): Sure.
spies1Dawn (6:39:58 PM): Julian, Marion, Gindi, Sage, Caroline...
spies1Dawn (6:40:09 PM): Frank, too.
spies1Monica (6:40:18 PM): I haven't spoken to Caroline
spies1Monica (6:40:26 PM): Just saw her briefly at the exile chat
spies1Dawn (6:40:31 PM): But I've never discussed Sage with anyone but you.
spies1Monica (6:40:49 PM): What do you think of Caroline?
spies1Dawn (6:41:13 PM): I think she's an idiot for self-voting?
spies1Monica (6:41:30 PM): She didn't vote for herself
spies1Monica (6:41:31 PM): She didn't vote
spies1Monica (6:41:34 PM): That's a 3 vote penalty
spies1Dawn (6:41:55 PM): That's what I mean by self-voting.
spies1Monica (6:42:00 PM): Oh OK
spies1Dawn (6:42:21 PM): I saw her in a chat with Depley, Julian, and someone else I can't remember. Gindi, I think.
spies1Dawn (6:43:03 PM): She and Depley had an interesting dynamic. An odd sort of flirtation.
spies1Monica (6:43:10 PM): Hahah really?
spies1Monica (6:43:21 PM): Oh I haven't talked to Depley either
spies1Dawn (6:43:23 PM): Yeah.
I think it was likely more him than her, though.
spies1Monica (6:43:26 PM): Again, just Exile chat
spies1Monica (6:43:49 PM): When was the chat? Before the exiling or after?
spies1Monica (6:44:32 PM): I'm curious as to how Depley figured he should vote for Sage too - you and Depley had me interested in that sense
spies1Dawn (6:44:42 PM): That was before the chat.
spies1Dawn (6:44:52 PM): I mean, the chat was before the Exile.
spies1Dawn (6:44:57 PM): It was Sunday, I think.
spies1Monica (6:45:07 PM): Oh so like pre-pre game LOL
spies1Monica (6:45:13 PM): Before imprisonment even
spies1Dawn (6:45:15 PM): Yeah. LOL
spies1Dawn (6:45:18 PM): Way before.
spies1Monica (6:45:56 PM): I wonder how this counterspy thing will work out
spies1Dawn (6:46:22 PM): It'll be hard for the counterspy to reveal themselves to anyone. Reveal to one wrong person and suddenly you're imprisoned. What a screw.
spies1Monica (6:46:56 PM): That's a big burden, for sure
spies1Monica (6:47:13 PM): I wonder if the counterspy will investigate Sage
spies1Monica (6:47:27 PM): I don't think I would if I was the counterspy
spies1Dawn (6:47:48 PM): I don't know if I would either.
spies1Dawn (6:48:25 PM): But I will certainly be listening closely to anyone who suddenly pipes up with an urge to get rid of someone...
spies1Dawn (6:48:31 PM): ...It could be our counterspy.
spies1Monica (6:48:47 PM): I agree
spies1Monica (6:48:56 PM): What do you think of Gindi?
spies1Dawn (6:49:46 PM): Gindi seems a little slower on the uptake than others. I suspected that it could be a front.
spies1Monica (6:50:04 PM): That's what people say about Frank
spies1Monica (6:50:24 PM): How weird is this game - if you're quick, you get imprisoned; if you're slow you get suspected of being a spy
spies1Dawn (6:50:47 PM): I know. Very suspicious, all of us.
spies1Monica (6:50:55 PM): LOL are you trying to warn me?
spies1Dawn (6:51:08 PM): What? LOL Warn you about what?
spies1Monica (6:51:13 PM): About you
spies1Dawn (6:51:20 PM): You're the one I've given the most info to so far in the game!
spies1Dawn (6:51:44 PM): And though I have no proof to show you per the rules, I am no spy.
spies1Monica (6:52:24 PM): Have you ever played this game where cards decide who is a citizen, and who's a spy, and then some jackass is like "No see I'm really not a spy" and holds up their card?
spies1Monica (6:52:46 PM): Hate it when that happens
spies1Dawn (6:52:51 PM): No, but it sounds hilarious.
spies1Monica (6:53:04 PM): Haha it is
spies1Monica (6:53:14 PM): You just kind of smack your forehead and go "WHY?"
spies1Monica (6:53:26 PM): Anyway back to Gindi
spies1Dawn (6:53:39 PM): LOL! I'd love to try that sometime.
spies1Dawn (6:53:43 PM): Sure, back to Gindi.
spies1Monica (6:54:29 PM): Just spoke to him in that one chat?
spies1Dawn (6:55:05 PM): No, I spoke to him briefly before the exile, because I had other commitments and wanted to know who was voting for who...
spies1Dawn (6:55:24 PM): ...he told me that Sage wanted Damien out, which confirmed my vote that I'd placed for him earlier in the afternoon.
spies1Monica (6:55:48 PM): I just remembered this
spies1Monica (6:55:55 PM): He insisted that you voted for Damien
spies1Monica (6:56:33 PM): spies1Gurinder: The amount of pre-votes for Damien is astounding
spies1Monica (6:56:40 PM): spies1Gurinder: I know that these people voted DAmien:
spies1Gurinder: Mercedes, Josh, Dawn, and Sage
spies1Dawn (6:56:49 PM): Interesting.
spies1Dawn (6:57:34 PM): spies1Dawn (5:35:01 PM): Who should we try to exile tonight?
spies1Gurinder (5:35:20 PM): I've heard Damien
spies1Gurinder (5:35:24 PM): Sage is really pushing for him
spies1Dawn (6:57:46 PM): spies1Dawn (5:35:29 PM): That's interesting.
spies1Gurinder (5:35:38 PM): I don't know why - that's why I'm on lol
spies1Dawn (5:35:53 PM): Funny thing is that I kinda suspected Sage.
spies1Dawn (5:39:38 PM): So I guess it's Damien, then?
spies1Dawn (6:57:54 PM): spies1Gurinder (5:39:52 PM): well - unless anything new is said
spies1Gurinder (5:39:57 PM): That's my best guess, unfortunately
spies1Gurinder (5:40:02 PM): I really like the guy too - he was nice
spies1Dawn (5:40:14 PM): I don't believe I've ever talked to him.
spies1Dawn (6:58:02 PM): spies1Gurinder (5:41:56 PM): He was on yesterday his first time for like an hour - haven't seen from him since :-(
spies1Dawn (5:42:25 PM): Hmm. I don't know what to say, then.
spies1Dawn (6:58:12 PM): And that was the end of the conversation.
spies1Dawn (6:58:54 PM): I never once said I'd vote for Damien.
spies1Monica (6:59:51 PM): Whoops sorry
spies1Dawn (7:00:04 PM): Sorry for what?
spies1Monica (7:00:14 PM): My connection zipped
spies1Dawn (7:00:22 PM): oh. I should let you see this again, then.
spies1Monica (7:00:34 PM): I got up to "and that was the end of the conversation"
spies1Monica (7:00:42 PM): And I said "Well I guess I can see why he thought you voted for Damien"
spies1Dawn (7:01:02 PM): Oh. I see. But I never once said I'd vote for Damien.
spies1Dawn (7:01:10 PM): And I told him I suspected Sage, which he never commented on.
spies1Monica (7:01:32 PM): Gindi would make a great spy
spies1Monica (7:01:35 PM): Very sociable
spies1Monica (7:01:39 PM): Very enthusiastic
spies1Dawn (7:01:52 PM): And doesn't make waves. He kinda hid behind Sage on this one.
spies1Monica (7:02:18 PM): I agree
spies1Monica (7:02:30 PM): Telling you to vote for Damien
spies1Monica (7:02:43 PM): Telling me that there were a lot of Damien votes and that I shouldn't vote for Sage cause I'd stand out
spies1Dawn (7:02:50 PM): But telling me it was someone else's idea, too.
spies1Dawn (7:02:59 PM): Like he was just following along.
spies1Monica (7:03:21 PM): Yeah ...
spies1Monica (7:03:46 PM): He did say he really wanted to be a spy
spies1Monica (7:03:52 PM): And was disappointed when he found out that he wasn't one
spies1Dawn (7:03:55 PM): He didn't tell me that.
spies1Monica (7:04:04 PM): Mmm let's see if I can find it
spies1Dawn (7:04:05 PM): Then, I haven't really talked much with him.
spies1Monica (7:04:30 PM): spies1Gurinder: i wanted to be a spy SO bad lmao
spies1Dawn (7:04:43 PM): He did say that Julian and I should hook up since we're both florists. Another "I'm not really playing the game" statement, if you ask me.
spies1Monica (7:04:45 PM): spies1Monica: I wasn't mad
spies1Monica (7:04:55 PM): spies1Gurinder: cuz its going to be so hard to be a citizen
spies1Monica: I personally requested to be a citizen
spies1Gurinder: ohh really?
spies1Monica: Yep
spies1Gurinder: its so much harder
spies1Monica (7:05:14 PM): spies1Gurinder: being a citizien is so hard - there is like no right startegy
spies1Monica: I'm much better at being honest than at lying
spies1Gurinder: being a spy you have a strategy since you know everything
spies1Dawn (7:05:24 PM): We have a strategy too. Observation.
spies1Monica (7:05:51 PM): There's one more thing about Gindi
spies1Dawn (7:05:56 PM): ?
spies1Monica (7:06:44 PM): Before Andrew was exiled, there was a chat between Gindi, Gerta, Soraya, and Damien
spies1Monica (7:07:11 PM): It was suggested that at the exiling, everyone should vote for Andrew
spies1Monica (7:07:42 PM): And look at what happened
spies1Dawn (7:08:07 PM): Andrew was pretty inactive though. The spies may have instructions to knock off inactives first.
spies1Monica (7:08:42 PM): Gindi thinks someone in that chat is a spy
spies1Monica (7:08:55 PM): No one in particular
spies1Monica (7:09:18 PM): But it was a good way to set up Gindi and Gerta as spies
spies1Monica (7:09:23 PM): Because EVERYONE knows that they were in that chat
spies1Dawn (7:09:42 PM): Very interesting.
spies1Dawn (7:09:49 PM): I know that Julian suspects Gerta as well.
spies1Monica (7:09:54 PM): Really?
spies1Dawn (7:10:17 PM): Yes. He said she has the right type of flavor for that job.
spies1Monica (7:11:38 PM): He has a point
spies1Monica (7:11:50 PM): What do you think?
spies1Dawn (7:12:19 PM): I haven't decided, myself. I haven't talked much to her.
spies1Monica (7:12:29 PM): Oh she just signed on
spies1Monica (7:12:44 PM): Here's what I think
spies1Monica (7:12:49 PM): No repeating, please
spies1Monica (7:13:42 PM): Before the vote - like 20 minutes before voting closed - Gindi said that Gerta voted for Damien and wasn't budging
spies1Dawn (7:13:50 PM): Of course I won't repeat.
spies1Dawn (7:14:06 PM): Interesting, indeed.
spies1Monica (7:14:06 PM): And I talked with Gerta
spies1Monica (7:14:08 PM): To see for myself
spies1Dawn (7:14:09 PM): okay...
spies1Monica (7:14:42 PM): spies1Monica: Do you think Damien is a spy?
spies1Gerta: if enough people go for sage, and he still survives, he can't take out any one of us.
spies1Gerta: and no, i don't
spies1Monica (7:15:14 PM): spies1Gerta: well right now i'm voting damien but i'll switch if enough people aare with me.
spies1Dawn (7:15:30 PM): Hmm.
spies1Dawn (7:15:44 PM): So why did Gerta not switch?
spies1Dawn (7:15:56 PM): Gindi convinced her that she was in the minority, same as he did with you.
spies1Monica (7:15:59 PM): That's one question I'm asking
spies1Monica (7:16:02 PM): Yes
spies1Monica (7:16:42 PM): The other question is, when Gindi told me that Gerta was hardcore not switching, was he lying to convince me to vote for Damien?
spies1Dawn (7:17:02 PM): Another excellent question.
spies1Dawn (7:17:09 PM): I would say yes.
spies1Monica (7:17:49 PM): If you do talk about this with others
spies1Dawn (7:17:54 PM): I will not.
spies1Monica (7:17:55 PM): Please don't copy/paste like I did
spies1Monica (7:18:07 PM): I really think I'm next to be imprisoned
spies1Dawn (7:18:33 PM): I won't discuss it with anyone until after you leave, if you are the next to be imprisoned.
spies1Monica (7:18:56 PM): Thanks
spies1Monica (7:19:13 PM): If you're a spy, please don't imprison me
spies1Dawn (7:19:21 PM): lol!! I'm no spy.
spies1Monica (7:19:26 PM): LOL you never know
spies1Monica (7:19:35 PM): I just know that I'll make this game really interesting
spies1Dawn (7:21:16 PM): I hope that we all do. Right now it's so full of paranoia.
spies1Dawn (7:21:28 PM): I wish I could know anything for certain!
spies1Monica (7:21:34 PM): Me too
spies1Monica (7:21:58 PM): OK so what do you think of Marion?
spies1Dawn (7:22:10 PM): Haven't talked to her much.
spies1Dawn (7:22:45 PM): So I haven't formed any opinions.
spies1Monica (7:23:04 PM): I think you'd like her a lot
spies1Monica (7:23:42 PM): She's ballsy
spies1Dawn (7:23:51 PM): I like that. We need more ballsy women.
spies1Monica (7:23:58 PM): I agree
spies1Monica (7:24:07 PM): Too bad the best adjective to describe it relates to men
spies1Monica (7:24:18 PM): Ballsy - having balls - like a man
spies1Dawn (7:24:19 PM): Ha! No kidding.
spies1Dawn (7:24:29 PM): When most men have no real balls to speak of.
spies1Monica (7:24:34 PM): SO TRUE!
spies1Dawn (7:24:34 PM): Ironic, isn't it?
spies1Monica (7:24:57 PM): Well, we'll see how it applies to this game
spies1Monica (7:25:05 PM): 2 males 0 females down
spies1Dawn (7:25:18 PM): Hopefully the ballsy women can stay lowkey for long enough to make some noise in the game later on.
spies1Monica (7:25:56 PM): If I make it through this round, I'm going to be more lowkey
spies1Monica (7:26:10 PM): Speaking of lowkey
spies1Monica (7:26:13 PM): What do you think of Julian?
spies1Dawn (7:26:16 PM): I hope you do make it through.
spies1Dawn (7:26:20 PM): Julian = NOT lowkey.
spies1Monica (7:26:23 PM): I won't make it through
spies1Dawn (7:26:27 PM): Huge flirt. Love him.
spies1Monica (7:26:31 PM): Haha!
spies1Dawn (7:27:14 PM): He makes me laugh, I appreciate his charm.
spies1Dawn (7:27:24 PM): Not ruling him out yet though.
spies1Monica (7:27:40 PM): Of course
spies1Monica (7:27:47 PM): His charm definitely works in his favor
spies1Monica (7:27:54 PM): I bet he knows what everyone in this game is thinking
spies1Dawn (7:28:21 PM): It's likely.
spies1Dawn (7:28:32 PM): Which is why I don't rreally tell him much!
spies1Monica (7:29:42 PM): Smart girl
spies1Dawn (7:30:29 PM): I just liked what I saw of you in teh chat so I figured, hey... take a chance, open up to ONE person in the game.
spies1Dawn (7:30:47 PM): If I get imprisoned next, I'll know it's you.
spies1Monica (7:32:27 PM): Oh it'll have NOTHING to do with me
spies1Monica (7:32:57 PM): But if you do get imprisoned and didn't talk to me, then you'd be out of the game without ever getting to say what you really thought
spies1Monica (7:33:06 PM): Which is what I'm afraid of
spies1Dawn (7:33:22 PM): Which is why I'm talking too.
spies1Dawn (7:33:31 PM): But like I said, I had to pick one person and go with it.
spies1Monica (7:35:41 PM): It's so risky
spies1Monica (7:35:42 PM): I love this game
spies1Dawn (7:36:07 PM): I do too.
spies1Dawn (7:36:14 PM): So why'd you open up to me, anyway?
spies1Monica (7:36:49 PM): 1) I'm stupid
spies1Monica (7:37:04 PM): 2) I liked the way you maneuvered the conversation
spies1Dawn (7:37:13 PM): Ha!
spies1Dawn (7:37:23 PM): Stupid, huh?
spies1Monica (7:37:24 PM): 3) I love talking about the game
spies1Monica (7:37:26 PM): 4) I'm afraid I'm next, and who will carry on after I'm gone
spies1Monica (7:37:28 PM): 5) I'm stupid
spies1Dawn (7:37:37 PM): I don't think so, your observations are good ones.
spies1Dawn (7:37:44 PM): And as I've said before, I'm safe.
spies1Monica (7:37:50 PM): Well everyone says that
spies1Monica (7:38:04 PM): LOL
spies1Monica (7:38:06 PM): But, these are also observations I've gathered after talkign to people
spies1Monica (7:38:06 PM): 3 people are spies
spies1Monica (7:38:07 PM): I'm sure I've said something smart to a spy
spies1Dawn (7:38:10 PM): LOL!
